// Ransomware Negotiation Transcript
REvil Ransomware Negotiation — Redacted Organisation
// Context
About This Negotiation
This transcript documents a REvil ransomware negotiation with a redacted victim organisation. The negotiation consisted of 156 messages exchanged.
The initial demand is not clearly stated in the transcript. The final outcome is not confirmed in the transcript.
// Primary Source
Full Transcript — Verbatim
Reproduced from Casualtek's Ransomchats archive. URLs have been redacted.
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Good evening Sir/Madam. I'm [redacted], and I was asked by the [redacted]'s
executives to assist them in completing a business arrangement with you.
I'm neither a technological expert nor a lawyer. I have a financial
background and currently work in the public sector here in the [redacted]. As
you probably understand, we would like to complete this unfortunate
event as swift and clean as possible. Kindly let me know how should I
call you and when should I expect your reply. Respectfully, [redacted].
Hello, our communication is conducted only through this chat.
We are ready to listen to your proposal.
Thank you Sir/Madam. I have no idea what kind of proposal I should make
to you. We are an [redacted] charity run by [redacted]. We get money,
public funds, and I have no experience in this occurrence. We are not a
business. I understand that we need to pay a certain amount in order to
get our systems back to full operation. Am I right? Respectfully, [redacted]
Yes, you are right, for our part we want to see the best deal that you can afford.
Sir/Madam, do you mean what is the amount we can pay in order to restore our systems? Respectfully, [redacted]
Sir/Madam, do you mean what is the amount we can pay in order to restore our systems? Respectfully, [redacted]
Yes of course.
Sorry Sir/Madam, for sending twice. I'm a bit overwhelmed by stress and this experience.
No problem.
Sir/Madam, I honestly don't know. I see that you request 4 Million USD
which is almost 3M GBP. We will never be able to pay this amount. Should
I now tell you how much we are willing to pay? Is this what you mean?
My apologies to be very cautious. I don't want any mistake to happen
here. It is the future of 50,000 pupils. Young kids. Respectfully,
[redacted]
We understand this, but still we do not expect a low offer from you.
Sir/Madam, I understand. Please allow me to consult. Respectfully, [redacted]
We wait.
We are not in the mood for a long conversation, so we look forward to hearing from you shortly.
Sir/Madam, I'm here and after intense conversations and internal
consultations as you might imagine. Please refrain from hostile
language. I will appreciate it. I was instruct to further elaborate with
you couple of points, obviously after I did my own research about you
and your highly professional capability and status.
Well, we are ready to listen to your questions.
Thanks Sir/Madam. I appreciate that. (1) What type of information will
you provide upon completing the deal? (2) What type of information are
you currently possessing? (3) How can I guarantee that data will not be
further monetized upon completion of our deal? Thanks much in advance.
[redacted]
We value our reputation and we have proved ourselves over a long period
of time. We have a 100% guarantee after the transaction is completed
that you will receive the decryptor and your data and information about
you will be immediately deleted.
Also, after payment, we will conduct a full audit of your network in order to avoid subsequent hacks.
Thanks Sir. I will convey this and revert shortly. Respectfully, Emilie
Thank you Sir. I believe that the last offer will not be required,
however, I will be extremely thankful if you could at least tell me what
information you have in your possession. I believe that this
information is of utmost importance to determine the amount the charity
will pay. Respectfully, [redacted]
Sir, I could not red your last message. Was it deleted deliberately? Respectfully, [redacted]
My apologies for typo. I meant "read".
We have information about all your financial transactions, the details of your partners, card numbers and much more.
We never conduct a full check of the information we have.But for example
: [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted]
Sorry for the failed submission last time.
Thank you Sir. I understand that. Mistakes happen at all times. We are
all humans. I will forward your reply. What does this mean:
[redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] Is this a
file? or a directory? I want to ask you in order not to look
unprofessional in the eyes of my colleagues. Respectfully, [redacted]
These are lines from your documents.
Sir, does it suppose to mean anything of importance? Respectfully, [redacted]
If you think the card details of their owners are important, then yes, they are.
Sir, you mean Credit Card details of the Charity owners? Is this what
you have in your possession? I'm asking again in order not to cause any
confusion, and the guarantee an decision making process which is based
on accurate data. Thanks, [redacted]
No, I mean the credit card details of your clients or employees.
Ohh, I understand. Thank you. I'll revert, hopefully tonight. Respectfully, [redacted].
I hope you understand that this is just an example of what we have.
Yes Sir. I do understand. And I'm confident enough in your wisdom to
present me with an attractive information, in order to present your most
valuable assets. Credit card information of employees is probably the
most attractive asset. Respectfully, [redacted]
I would like to remind you that we are not ready to drag out
negotiations. In case of waiting for long answers, there can be no
question of any discounts from our side.
Sir, I'm aware of that. I will present a significant amount in my early
AM tomorrow. The relevant decision makers are currently consulting.
Thanks for your understanding. Respectfully, [redacted]
Good morning Sir.. Your TOR website is offline for quite some time now.
Is it ok to continue using this platform? Respectfully. [redacted]
I got the mandate to make you an offer. Please let me know if it's ok to make it now?
Yes we are listening to you.
Thanks Sir. We can pay 750,000 USD in XMR, provided that you will share
with me the exact scope, volume, and significance of data that is in
your possession. I would like to stress that this amount is far beyond
what we understand is usually charged by your teams (based on recent
news reports. I've turned to be an expert on your business in the last 3
days, Fortunately or unfortunately.) I do stress the data, rather than
the decryption key, since I learned about your very positive reputation
in providing decryption keys. Looking forward hearing your thoughts.
Respectfully, [redacted].
You are asking for a huge discount.
But my boss is ready to take a step forward.
Our offer $ 3kk.
Sorry, you mean 3 Million USD?
Yes that's right.
Oh God. No, this is so far of what we can pay. Please hold and I'll report to my colleagues and revert. Respectfully, [redacted].
Sir, we will not be able to pay that amount. Please advise. Respectfully, [redacted]
This amount was formed after a detailed audit of your company and it fully corresponds to your level and size of your company.
You can make another suggestion, and we will consider it, but we are not expect small money from you.
Sir, thank you for this frank answer. Your "client", my colleagues, are
not a company, and it seems that your reply is of a general nature. We
are a charity fund, [redacted] non-profit, and our resources are all
public resources. I will be able to come back to my colleagues, once you
provided me with any information which will make them re-evaluate their
decision. One of your colleagues, in a recent interview, said that you
don't like to bargain. So please, I'll appreciate if you will find me as
a genuine partner with whom you share information in order to craft a
deal which works for both of us. Respectfully, [redacted].
Publication of your information will create damage much more valuable
than our requirements. Think about it, you have the minimal price and we
usually don't negotiate about it.
If you pay soon, we are ready to make an additional discount.
Thank you Sir. I appreciate your advise, however this can't be
cosidered a valuable advise. I will need to understand the percularities
of what you wrote above: (1) Publication of which information? (2) What
do you mean soon? (even if we agree tomorrow, it will take 3-4 days of
official approval and execution) and (3) what is the additional
discount? Thank you for understanding, and I really grateful for your
willingness to assist. Respectfully, [redacted]
We are talking about publishing information that we have downloaded. If
you pay before Saturday, we will give an extra 20% discount.
Sir, your proposal set the price tag for publishing unknown information
on 2.4M USD. I see no scenario that the charity board and trustees will
approve this by tomorrow, in order to be executed by Saturday. Sir, if
you want to take advantage of my expreienced services in deal making you
will have to allow me (1) details of information you have, as this and
the decryption keys are the corner stone of any decision which will be
taken, and (2) set a reasonable price for a non-profit charity around
800-900K, to be paid at some point next week. I'll be here, throughout
this process, to make sure that we are progressing as planned.
Respectfully, [redacted].
I provide you additional proofs below and recommend you hurry up with decision, because payment procedure can takes time.
If you don't pay, your files will be published to the blog and shared to
media, other data will be sold. Anyway it will influence to your
reputation, think about your customers and fines and other troubles
waiting for you. We offer you solution to avoid everything of this.
This is an example of files that we downloaded. All files you will receive after payment.
Good morning Sir. My sincere apologies for not replying last night. I
was cought up at another event. I will forward this information to the
relevant people and contact you back later during the day. I thank you
for all the assistnce you provide in order to terminate this unpleasent
affair. Respectfully, [redacted].
Hello, ok.
Sir, are you one person or few people rotating in shifts. Asking
because you are always available, and always accesible. And are you the
one who can finalize a deal or you need any approval from higher level?
Respectfully, [redacted]
I have a boss
Thanks. Ok. I working on our case in the next couple of hours. Will revert as soon as I have information. Respectfully, [redacted].
Okay we wait.
Sir, one of the trustees of the charity have asked me in private what
are the chances of bringing the price down to 900K USD? He shared with
me her internal conversations and her belief, like you and me, that a
deal is better than any publication. However, she said, reviewing the
information you sent will not convice the relevant people to pay that
amount of many. It's about "risk management" she said. Decryption keys
and that information should cost around 1M. What would be your answer to
her? Please keep in mind that she is sharing her thoughts with me in
private and I'm not that sure that she represents any majority. Please
consult with the boss and let me know? Respectfully, [redacted]
I'll be back to this computer in 2-3 hours, Sir. Thanks. [redacted]
We need to discuss this with the superiors.Wait for answer.
My boss is ready to give you a discount.
$ 1.5 million is our latest offer.
Let me remind you that this offer is valid only in case of quick payment.
Sir, I'm thrilled. Thanks a lot. I'll convey this in my meeting with
board and trustees in the morning. First time in last days that I'm
going to bed with a smile. I'll contact you for further communication
and updates in the morning. Best regards, [redacted]
We wait.
Good morning Sir. Board and trustees of the charity will convene in 1.5
hours. I'm in direct contact, as I shared with you yesterday with one
of the trustees, and she will update me immedietly after the meeting,
even before the official statement. Respectfully, [redacted]
Okay.
We wait.
Sir, may I ask you a direct question? It's important that you will be
completely honest with me, and if you don't know the answer, I would
appreciate if you could check with the boss. Are you still interfering
with our systems? Do you do any actions related to our employees?
Awaiting your answer, [redacted]
We provide this information only after payment along with the audit of your network.
I remind you once again that all our agreements are valid only in case
of quick payment. It seems to us that you are deliberately delaying the
dialogue.
Sir, I wish I could have brought you into the trustees meeting. In the
middle of meeting when they discuss paying your suggested price, came
this notice of your continued efforts to sabotage the charity network.
With all due respect, Sir, do you think it was necessary? Do you think
it was helpful? I'm doing a tremendous effort to show everyone your
nice, welcoming and human face, and you keep on your evil moves? How
should I show my face now? I guess that you haven't understood that you
and me are working together to bring this deal? You have to assist me,
not work against me..!
We never commit malicious acts while communicating.
These words are confirmed by our reputation.
Are you completely confident about that Sir? I'ts not only your reputation here, it's mine as well. Thanks, [redacted]
We are sure.
You have nothing to worry about.
Ok. I trust on that. I'll further communicate tonight. I need to go
back, with this information, to do some damage control, and it starts to
be late into the weekend. I'll come back later this evening.
Respectfully, [redacted].
Today we are waiting for the results of your negotiations from you.
Good evening Sir, as I predicted on Wednesday or Thursday (sorry, last
week was like crazy hell for me, very little sleep, very stressful, and
almost no time for my young kids), the charity's leaderhip could not
make a decision before the weekend. As predicted they asked me to ask
you to delay reply until after the weekend (Monday afternoon), as well
as to seek, if possible, additional discount to 1M. I told them,
bluntly, that I'm not sure about additional discount, becasue from what I
understood from you, what your boss already approved was beyond the
ususal discount you give. I left board meeting really frustrated, first
of all on a personal level, due to the fact that I thought I will have a
quite weekend, handing over our correspondance to the person who will
take care of execution and buying the XMR, but also because I have no
face to disspoint you. I know that you expect an answer, and I feel bad
that I can't deliver any positive results at the moment. I need to ask
you for an extension. I'll be here to reply to all your notes, to
provide you with any background information you need, and even if you
want to exchange weekend receipies. Board and trustees will reconvene
after the weekend, on Monday morning, and on the positive side, it gives
me time to talk and to be successful in persuading them to complete the
deal in order to recover all systems by Tuesady/Wednesdy. Thanks in
advance for you understandging. I really appreciate it. Respectfully,
[redacted].
We have provided the maximum possible discount in your case.
On Monday night, we will no longer be able to talk about any concessions, as the ransom amount will double.
Thank a lot, Sir, for understanding. I will be in close touch also
during the weekend. Best and have good night. Tell your boss that you
deserve some time off and a good drink. Emilie
Please also update the countdown of the clock at the bottom of our corresponding page? Thanks, Emilie.
Your time runs exactly to the one indicated by me above.
Ok, maybe I'm a bit confused. I trust you. Good night Sir.
Okay.
Good evening Sir. I hope that you took some time off to be with your
family. I'm here to answer any question. Respectfully, [redacted].
Good evening Sir. The IT team have sent me a file, which they kindly
ask you to decrypt in order to see, as mentioned in your early note and
here on this website, the the decryption tool actually work. I will try
to attach it now. Respectfully, [redacted].
Hello
Good morning Sir, I could not sleep the whole night. Thanks for the file, I'll be in touch later this morning. Thanks, [redacted].
This was written couple of hours ago, but apparently there was a fault in your system and it was sent just now.
Okay , we wait.
Thanks, I'm here. I would like to ask you, first, informally (before I
speak to "my" trustee in the board). Is there any chance that you will
be able to extend the deadline for Wednesday evening? The reason I'm
asking is because there was some government move to our senior
leadership, and I'm afraid that they were asked not to pay. I can tell
you that the majority of board members want to complete the deal, as
it's the only way they can restore the system, but it seems that the
weekend brought with it also pressure in the opposite direction. Would
love to hear your boss opinion on that. Respectfully, [redacted]
We are not ready to stretch the time like that.
All my boss is willing to offer is Tuesday night, if payment is received by then.
If your senior management is unwilling to pay, we will start publishing information, be sure to remind them of this.
This is why I'm checking with you Sir. The board of the charity is
meeting in 1:30 hours, (2 PM GMT), and I want to bring them the most
updated information from you. At the moment, you were kindly offering
the charity to pay 1.5M and deadline is tonight. If I could get an extra
"stretch" (as you wrote) to pay 1M, and deadline is Wednesday morning,
that would have been very helpful to get the board and trustees
approval, despite any other external voices. Please bring it to the boss
approval. Anything of this will make my mission more likely to succeed.
Thanks in advance, [redacted].
We have already given you time to discuss these issues at your meeting today.
My boss isn't ready to give you time until Wednesday.
I understand. May I speak with the boss? Can he come to the chat? Can I give him an email address?
All conversations are conducted through this chat, and all messages are sent to it.
We gave you a good discount and enough time to resolve internal issues. It's all.
Please, you can't leave me with this answer. I see that boss can't do
Wednesday, and I understand his and your perspective. Will it be
possible to leave price as it is, and give time decision time until
Tuesday night? If it was not this external inputs, I'm confident that I
could have sort it out by myself. Thanks, [redacted]
Please reply Sir, I'll be back in an hour. Need to go and prepare for board meeting. A women, you know.
Our agreement is valid until Monday night, I have nothing more to add for you.
The discount is provided for quick payment.
I see, Sir. I can't ask more, and I don't beg. If you can extend the
deadline until Tuesday - it will be helpful with the board in 5 minuets.
If you are not interested - I will not be happy with it, as it will be
more difficult for me to persuade board and trustees to complete the
deal, but - I will understand. As said, I'm a woman who respects herself
and her partners. I will not beg. Respectfully, [redacted]
An article in our blog will be prepared tonight (not published at the moment).
Perhaps this way your bosses will want to pay faster.
My boss is willing to allow until Wednesday, but in this case, discounts are out of the question.
So Sir, what are my option, currently??
My options, I mean.
1.5M until tonight or 2.4M until Wednesday?
Or can you do 1.5M until Tuesday 2PM GMT?
Best, Emilie
This is the last thing we can offer on Tuesday, 14:00 GMT.
If you do not pay, the data will start to be published.
Thanks Sir. I appreciate it. A lot. Please convey my thanks to your boss. Respectfully, Emilie.
We wait.
[REDACTED URL]
(Use TOR browser)
This is just a small part of what is being prepared for publication.
At the moment, this blog is only visible to you.
We hope your boss is ready to resolve this issue soon.
Good morning, Sir. I see. Thanks for sharing. I'll revert soon. Emilie
You don't have much time.
I know Sir. I can't ask for more time. There is no decision yet, on
behalf of the board and the trustees. The situation has turned to be too
complex, and I hope that a positive decision will be taken in the next
couple of hours. I predicted that, and this is the reason for asking for
the Wednesday deadline, however I fully understand your view point.
I'll come back once I have news. Respectfully, [redacted].
We wait.
Today we have not received a clear answer from you.
Your data will be ready for publication shortly.
We still suggest that you solve this problem.
Sir, I have no news. I wish I could solve this matter. I wish. I
predicted the dynamics in the charity, this is why I asked for
Wednesday, and 1M. There is nothing I can do now, apart from praying
that your boss will give me more time. But if it puts you, personally,
at risk, please don't ask. Yours, [redacted].
My boss is asking you a specific question.
Are you ready to pay on Wednesday or continue unnecessary conversations with us?
Sir, I want to be honest. I don't know now. I just don't know what the
decision will be. They are discussing, elaborating, trying to find
understanding and sources of fund to pay. It is completely your decision
Sir. I can't ask for more. You were very generous, and I hope one day
will come I could reciprocate. [redacted].
We think it's worth starting publishing to make your bosses more accommodating.
As said, it's your call. You are more experienced than me in this
business, and I'm familiar with the decision making process here.
Publication will most likely discourage charity's leadership to pay
anything. But again, you have the finger on the control button. Hope
you'll take the right one. [redacted].
What time is your meeting tomorrow?
Starts at 14:00 London time. Sir.
How long will they take?
Hope to have an answer by 17:00 GMT. If not a definitive answer, at least a positive indication, Sir.
What do you mean by "positive indication" ? Another meeting on Thursday ? Or preparing for payment ?
I guess the latter Sir. This will not be dragged by Thursday, I believe.
Wait for answer.
Im here Sir. Waiting for you.
I'll check your decision in couple of hours Sir. I must leave this computer and go home to my family. Respectfully, [redacted].
We spoke with the boss for a long time about the current situation.
If we receive the same response tomorrow as today, the attacks on your
network will continue and the data will begin to be published.
That's all we have to offer at the moment.
Also, in addition to the time, we extend the amount agreed by us.We need
to know if you have informed your management about the current
publication?
Time added. Price update.
Sir, I thank you and your boss, however I'm a bit confused by your
message. First, my colleagues are informed on all our communication. I
understand about the publication, and the sample publication you sent me
earlier is what stirred the debate among the trustees, as I predicted.
Second, what do you mean the attack will continue? Is this kind of a
terminology you use to persuade people? Thanks for understanding, [redacted].
Continued attacks only in case of refusal to pay, of course.
If we find a common language, we can help you close all vulnerabilities and prevent future hacks.
So, am I right to understand that you still have assets and access to
the network? If yes, I need to inform the leadership as this change
their discussions tomorrow. What type of access you have? Thanks,
[redacted].
Such information is provided only after payment.
Yes. I thought that this will be your answer. I'm too exhausted to comment. Thanks and have a good night. [redacted].
We wait.
Any news ?
Sir, good evening. No news. Significant and powerful external forces
are involved at the moment. No decision has been made. I don't know to
say when. I'm asking for nothing. Just humbly informing you of the
current state of affairs. Sorry for that. [redacted].
It seems like it's just your choice.
Not mine, Sir. I'm doing my best. [redacted].
If during the day my boss does not receive a response from you, attacks
on your network will continue, I hope your management will be
pleasantly surprised.
I will pass this message Sir.
Why did you make your suggestions before, but now you cannot understand what is happening ?
After this timer expires, the data will be published in the blog and transmitted to the media.
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Good morning Sir. I understand very well what is happening. And I
probably failed to explain what was going on at the board meetings.
[redacted] charity is not a private company, many stakeholders
involved. Unfortunately. [redacted].
Express your leadership's decision.
How much are you willing to pay in the near future?
You have 30 minutes left until posting.
Don't you give a damn about a personal data leak?
This post will only be the first part.
The next one will contain information about your students and investors.
Soon we will start publishing all personal data of your students.
[redacted] won't help you
The first part of the data is being prepared for publication soon, if
you have a proposal for payment, my boss is ready to listen.
We wait your answer.
// Analysis
Analyst Observations
- This is an unusually long negotiation, suggesting extended back-and-forth and significant engagement from both parties.
- REvil (also known as Sodinokibi) was responsible for high-profile attacks including Kaseya and JBS. The group was disrupted by law enforcement in late 2021 and early 2022.